Debate: Islam or Christianity, which is the one true religion? Zakir Hussain vs Richard Lucas

1- Jesus is not all knowing:
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree;
When his branch is yet tender, and
putteth forth leaves, ye know that
summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when
ye shall see all these things, know that it
is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say
unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled. 35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but
my words shall not pass away. 36 But of
that day and hour knoweth no man,
no, not the angels of heaven, but my
Father only
God is all-knowing, Jesus fails this main
qualification. This alone is enough to
prove that Jesus is not God. Also note the
verse says ONLY the Father meaning
nobody else, including the divine Jesus.
2- Jesus never said I am God.
Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you
make a claim on someone, then you
would expect that someone to back your
claim up. If I claim somebody is a king,
you would expect that king to say he is a
king, at least once. In the OT God says he
is God several times, why not once with
Jesus in the NT? Did God change his
ways? I think not, since the OT says God
does not change. Here are the passages
from the OT where God says he is God:
Gen 35:11 And God said unto him , I [am] God
Almighty : be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a
company of nations shall be of thee, and kings
shall come out of thy loins
Gen 46:3 And he said, I [am] God, the God of thy
father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will
there make of thee a great nation:
Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the
children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At
even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye
shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that
I [ am] the LORD your God .
Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have
brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the
house of bondage.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I
will be exalted among the heathen, I will be
exalted in the earth.
Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O
Israel, and I will testify against thee: I [am ] God,
[even] thy God .
Psa 81:10 I [am ] the LORD thy God, which
brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy
mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am ] with thee: be
not dismayed; for I [am] thy God : I will
strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will
uphold thee with the right hand of my
righteousness.
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of
darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that
thou mayest know that I , the LORD, which call
[thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
Isa 45:5 I [ am] the LORD, and [there is] none else,
[there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though
thou hast not known me:
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I
[am] God , and [there is] none else ; [I am] God,
and [there is] none like me,
Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all
flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the
prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they
shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither
shall they be written in the writing of the house of
Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of
Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord
GOD.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my
statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they
shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may
know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your
lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of
your idols: and ye shall know that I [am ] the Lord
GOD.
So as we can see, God is not shy to say I
am God. SO if Jesus is God, then how
come he never said it once like the God
of the OT? This is not a coincidence.
3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells
us not to trust the son of man:
The New Testament makes it very
clear that Jesus is the son of man:
Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes
have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his]
head.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of
man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then
saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up
thy bed, and go unto thine house
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the
sabbath day.
Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your
ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into
the hands of men.
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer
many things, and be rejected of the elders and
chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be
raised the third day.
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute
judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
The Old Testament tells us not to put our
trust in the son of man:
Psalms 146:
1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my
soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing
praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of
man, in whom there is no help.
So note, Jesus is the son of man, the OT
tells us not to put our trust in the son of
man; therefore we cannot place our trust
in Jesus so he cannot be God. The OT is
basically saying that you shouldn’t put
your trust in men as you do with God, so
hence we cannot put our trust in Jesus in
the same way we do with God since Jesus
is just a man, and he cannot really save
us. So hence Jesus cannot be God.
1- Jesus is the son of man
2- The OT tells us not to put our trust in
the son of man
3- We cannot put our trust in Jesus as we
do with God
4- Jesus is not God
The OT also tells us that there is no help
in the son of man, therefore this means
Jesus cannot help anybody, therefore he
is not God since God can help all. So we
cannot place our trust in Jesus, nor can
he help us, therefore he cannot be God
according to the OT.
4- Jesus was GIVEN power and
authority, he did not own it.
As we all know, God is all-powerful and
is independent, he needs no help from
anybody. However so this is not the case
with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help
from God, unlike God, Jesus does not
own any power or any authority, rather
it is given to him from God.
Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had
given all things into his hands, and that he was
come from God, and went to God;
John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto
the men which thou gavest me out of the world:
thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and
they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known
that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me
are of thee . 8 For I have given unto them the
words which thou gavest me ; and they have
received them, and have known surely that I
came out from thee, and they have believed that
thou didst send me
So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything
he had! This all included miracle,
doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do
anything of his own, he never performed
a miracle by his own power, he was
given the miracle. He never taught
anything of his own, rather he was
taught by God and spoke what God told
him to speak.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said , My
doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself ;
but the Father which sent me, he gave me
a commandment , what I should say , and
what I should speak.
Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and
to judge of you: but he that sent me is
true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of him.
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth
not my sayings : and the word which ye
hear is not mine, but the Father’s which
sent me.
So everything Jesus had was from God,
from the Gospel to his miracles. God
needs no one to give him power, God
needs no one to tell him what to do,
therefore Jesus is not God.
I challenge any Christian to bring me
one single miracle Jesus performed on
his own, just one. The Christian will
never be able to meet this challenge.
5- Jesus was sent to a specific nation
only, not to mankind
It is very strange that when we read the
Bible, we find that Jesus was sent to
preach to a specific nation only, not
mankind. One would expect to find Jesus
being sent to all of mankind if he was
God, rather what we find is that Jesus
just like all the other prophets, was sent
to a specific nation only:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I
am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the
house of Israel.
So as we see, Jesus was sent only for the
lost sheep of Israel. His main duty was
for them, not the gentiles or the world.
Christians often like to say Jesus told his
disciples to go preach to the gentiles,
however so this doesn’t change anything.
Jesus’ real mission as we see was for the
children of Israel, not the gentiles, the
verse I posted cannot be refuted. The
verse is very clear, Jesus is SENT for the
lost sheep of Israel, not the Gentiles,
Jesus saying go preach to Gentiles does
not mean he was sent for gentiles.
5- Jesus denied being good in the sense
that God is good.
If Jesus is God one would expect him to
admit he is good in the sense that God is
good, meaning perfect. However when
we read the Bible we see that Jesus
denies being good in the sense that God
is good which is perfect. Here are the
passages:
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and
said unto him, Good Master, what good
thing shall I do, that I may have eternal
life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why
callest thou me good? [there is] none good
but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt
enter into life, keep the commandments.
So note, the man calls Jesus good, Jesus
tells the man there is non good but God.
Obviously Jesus referred to God as
someone else, which also proves Jesus
isn’t God. However the main importance
of the passages is that Jesus denies being
Good in the way God is good, which is to
be perfect.
6- Jesus could not save anyone
The Bible also claims that Jesus cannot
save anyone! Here is the passage:
Hebrews 5:1-8: 1 For every high priest
taken from among men is ordained for
men in things pertaining to God, that he
may offer both gifts and sacrifices for
sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the
ignorant, and on them that are out of the
way; for that he himself also is
compassed with infirmity. 3 And by
reason hereof he ought, as for the
people, so also for himself, to offer for
sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour
unto himself, but he that is called of God,
as was Aaron. 5 So also Christ glorified
not himself to be made an high priest;
but he that said unto him, Thou art my
Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he
saith also in another place, Thou art a
priest for ever after the order of
Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his
flesh, when he had offered up prayers and
supplications with strong crying and tears
unto him that was able to save him from
death , and was heard in that he feared; 8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he
obedience by the things which he
suffered
So Jesus cried to the one who could save
him from death, this means Jesus could
not save himself from death, therefore
this also means Jesus cannot save anyone
else from death. How can Jesus be God
when he cannot save anyone? This also
shows that Jesus is not in control of life
and death, God however is in control of
everything, including life and death:
And they have taken besides Him gods,
who do not create anything while they
are themselves created, and they control
not for themselves any harm or profit,
and they control not death nor life, nor
raising (the dead) to life . S. 25:3 Shakir
This verse is from the Noble Quran, I
guess this sums it all up doesn’t it?
7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he
was God neither
One of the greatest Christian myths is
that Jesus’ followers believed he was
God. However so, this is not true, the
Bible says otherwise:
Matthew
Chapter 16
13-14
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea
Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do
men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they
said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist:
some, Elias; and others, Jeremias , or one of the
prophets
So as we can see, the believers out of the
population did not take Jesus as God,
they took him for a great man, such as
John the Baptist, or Elias, or some others.
None of them said he is God. Now let us
read on and see what his own disciples
took him for:
15-20
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I
am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said,
Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed
art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath
not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is
in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou
art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my
church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys
of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou
shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall
be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his
disciples that they should tell no man that he
was Jesus the Christ.
So note, now Jesus asks his disciples
about what they take him to be for, they
respond by saying he is the SON OF GOD,
Jesus agrees with them and tells them tell
no man I am the Christ. So note, Jesus’
disciples do not say you are God, Jesus
himself does not say he is God.
Now both the son of God and the term
Christ do not mean God. They never
have, and never will. The term Christ
means Messiah, the definition of Messiah
is not God, and the Jews who were
awaiting their Messiah did not believe
the Messiah would be God:
The predominant Jewish understanding
of moshiach (“the messiah”) is based on
the writings of Maimonides , (the
Rambam ). His views on the messiah are
discussed in his Mishneh Torah , his 14
volume compendium of Jewish law , in
the section Hilkhot Melakhim
Umilchamoteihem , chapter 11.
Maimonides writes:
“The anointed King (“HaMelekh
HaMoshiach”) is destined to stand up
and restore the Davidic Kingdom to its
antiquity, to the first sovereignty. He
will build the Temple in Jerusalem and
gather the strayed ones of Israel
together. All laws will return in his days
as they were before: Sacrificial offerings
are offered and the Sabbatical years and
Jubilees are kept, according to all its
precepts that are mentioned in the
Torah . Whoever does not believe in him,
or whoever does not wait for his coming,
not only does he defy the other prophets,
but also the Torah and our Rabbi Moses.
For the Torah testifies about him, thus:
“And the Lord Your God will return your
returned ones and will show you mercy
and will return and gather you… If your
strayed one shall be at the edge of
Heaven… And He shall bring you”
etc.” (Deuteronomy 30:3-5).
“These words that are explicitly stated in
the Torah, encompass and include all the
words spoken by all the prophets. In the
section of Torah referring to Bala’am ,
too, it is stated, and there he prophesied
about the two anointed ones: The first
anointed one is David, who saved Israel
from all their oppressors; and the last
anointed one will stand up from among
his descendants and saves Israel in the
end. This is what he says (Numbers
24:17-18): “I see him but not now” – this
is David; “I behold him but not near” –
this is the Anointed King. “A star has
shot forth from Jacob” – this is David;
“And a brand will rise up from Israel” –
this is the Anointed King. “And he will
smash the edges of Moab ” – This is David,
as it states: “…And he struck Moab and
measured them by rope” (II Samuel 8:2);
“And he will uproot all Children of Seth”
– this is the Anointed King, of whom it is
stated: “And his reign shall be from sea
to sea” (Zechariah 9:10). “And Edom
shall be possessed” – this is David, thus:
“And Edom became David’s as slaves
etc.” (II Samuel 8:6); “And Se’ir shall be
possessed by its enemy” – this is the
Anointed King, thus: “And saviors shall
go up Mount Zion to judge Mount Esau,
and the Kingdom shall be the
Lord’s” (Obadiah 1:21).”
“And by the Towns of Refuge it states:
“And if the Lord your God will widen up
your territory… you shall add on for you
another three towns” etc. (Deuteronomy
19:8-9). Now this thing never happened;
and the Holy One does not command in
vain. But as for the words of the
prophets, this matter needs no proof, as
all their books are full with this issue.”
“Do not imagine that the anointed King
must perform miracles and signs and
create new things in the world or
resurrect the dead and so on. The matter
is not so: For Rabbi Akiba was a great
scholar of the sages of the Mishnah , and
he was the assistant-warrior of the king
Ben Coziba , and claimed that he was the
anointed king. He and all the Sages of his
generation deemed him the anointed
king, until he was killed by sins; only
since he was killed, they knew that he
was not. The Sages asked him neither a
miracle nor a sign…”
“And if a king shall stand up from
among the House of David, studying
Torah and indulging in commandments
like his father David, according to the
written and oral Torah, and he will
coerce all Israel to follow it and to
strengthen its weak points, and will fight
Hashem’s wars, this one is to be treated
as if he were the anointed one. If he
succeeded {and won all nations
surrounding him. Old prints and mss.}
and built a Holy Temple in its proper
place and gathered the strayed ones of
Israel together, this is indeed the
anointed one for certain, and he will
mend the entire world to worship the
Lord together, as it is stated: “For then I
shall turn for the nations a clear tongue,
to call all in the Name of the Lord and to
worship Him with one
shoulder” (Zephaniah 3:9).”
“But if he did not succeed until now, or
if he was killed, it becomes known that
he is not this one of whom the Torah had
promised us, and he is indeed like all
proper and wholesome kings of the
House of David who died. The Holy One,
Blessed Be He, only set him up to try the
public by him, thus: “And from the
seekers of wisdom there shall stumble, to
purify among them and to clarify and to
brighten until the time of the ending, for
there is yet to the set time” (Daniel
11:35).”
Taken from http://www.aish.com/
tishabav/tishabavdefault/
The_Messiah_in_Judaism.asp
In Judaism, who is the Messiah?
The messiah is a G-d fearing, pious Jew, who is
both a great Torah scholar and a great leader as
well. He is a direct descendent of King David, and
will be anointed as the new Jewish King. (In fact,
the Hebrew word for messiah – “Moshiach” –
means “anointed one.”).
When the messiah comes, there will be a
universal recognition of the truth of Torah and the
G-d Who gave that Torah at Mount Sinai. All
Jews will return to the Land of Israel, where they
will throw off the yoke of their enemies and
undergo a complete spiritual revival. They will
embrace the faith of their forefathers and dedicate
themselves to G-d’s service forever.
They will re-build the Holy Temple, from where
the Divine presence will shine forth, spreading the
light of truth, justice, tolerance and peace
throughout the world.
Taken from http://www.jewfaq.org/
moshiach.htm
The Moshiach
The moshiach will be a great political
leader descended from King David
(Jeremiah 23:5). The moshiach is often
referred to as “moshiach ben
David” (moshiach, son of David). He will
be well-versed in Jewish law, and
observant of its commandments. (Isaiah
11:2-5) He will be a charismatic leader,
inspiring others to follow his example.
He will be a great military leader, who
will win battles for Israel . He will be a
great judge, who makes righteous
decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all,
he will be a human being, not a god,
demi -god or other
supernatural being.
It has been said that in every
generation, a person is born with the
potential to be the moshiach. If the time
is right for the messianic age within that
person’s lifetime, then that person will
be the moshiach. But if that person dies
before he completes the mission of the
moshiach, then that person is not the
moshiach.

2 replies »

zakirhussain86 says:

April 1, 2015 at 8:22 pm

Islam or Christianity which is the true faith? Nice topic

hassan saadan says:

May 6, 2016 at 10:53 am

1- Jesus is not all knowing:
Mark 24: 32-36:
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree;
When his branch is yet tender, and
putteth forth leaves, ye know that
summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when
ye shall see all these things, know that it
is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say
unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled. 35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but
my words shall not pass away. 36 But of
that day and hour knoweth no man,
no, not the angels of heaven, but my
Father only
God is all-knowing, Jesus fails this main
qualification. This alone is enough to
prove that Jesus is not God. Also note the
verse says ONLY the Father meaning
nobody else, including the divine Jesus.
2- Jesus never said I am God.
Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you
make a claim on someone, then you
would expect that someone to back your
claim up. If I claim somebody is a king,
you would expect that king to say he is a
king, at least once. In the OT God says he
is God several times, why not once with
Jesus in the NT? Did God change his
ways? I think not, since the OT says God
does not change. Here are the passages
from the OT where God says he is God:
Gen 35:11 And God said unto him , I [am] God
Almighty : be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a
company of nations shall be of thee, and kings
shall come out of thy loins
Gen 46:3 And he said, I [am] God, the God of thy
father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will
there make of thee a great nation:
Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the
children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At
even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye
shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that
I [ am] the LORD your God .
Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have
brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the
house of bondage.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I
will be exalted among the heathen, I will be
exalted in the earth.
Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O
Israel, and I will testify against thee: I [am ] God,
[even] thy God .
Psa 81:10 I [am ] the LORD thy God, which
brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy
mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am ] with thee: be
not dismayed; for I [am] thy God : I will
strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will
uphold thee with the right hand of my
righteousness.
Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of
darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that
thou mayest know that I , the LORD, which call
[thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
Isa 45:5 I [ am] the LORD, and [there is] none else,
[there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though
thou hast not known me:
Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I
[am] God , and [there is] none else ; [I am] God,
and [there is] none like me,
Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all
flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?
Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the
prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they
shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither
shall they be written in the writing of the house of
Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of
Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord
GOD.
Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my
statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they
shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may
know that I [am] the LORD your God.
Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your
lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of
your idols: and ye shall know that I [am ] the Lord
GOD.
So as we can see, God is not shy to say I
am God. SO if Jesus is God, then how
come he never said it once like the God
of the OT? This is not a coincidence.
3- Jesus is the son of man, the OT tells
us not to trust the son of man:
The New Testament makes it very
clear that Jesus is the son of man:
Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes
have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests;
but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his]
head.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of
man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then
saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up
thy bed, and go unto thine house
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the
sabbath day.
Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your
ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into
the hands of men.
Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer
many things, and be rejected of the elders and
chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be
raised the third day.
Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute
judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
The Old Testament tells us not to put our
trust in the son of man:
Psalms 146:
1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise the LORD, O my
soul.
2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing
praises unto my God while I have any being.
3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of
man, in whom there is no help.
So note, Jesus is the son of man, the OT
tells us not to put our trust in the son of
man; therefore we cannot place our trust
in Jesus so he cannot be God. The OT is
basically saying that you shouldn’t put
your trust in men as you do with God, so
hence we cannot put our trust in Jesus in
the same way we do with God since Jesus
is just a man, and he cannot really save
us. So hence Jesus cannot be God.
1- Jesus is the son of man
2- The OT tells us not to put our trust in
the son of man
3- We cannot put our trust in Jesus as we
do with God
4- Jesus is not God
The OT also tells us that there is no help
in the son of man, therefore this means
Jesus cannot help anybody, therefore he
is not God since God can help all. So we
cannot place our trust in Jesus, nor can
he help us, therefore he cannot be God
according to the OT.
4- Jesus was GIVEN power and
authority, he did not own it.
As we all know, God is all-powerful and
is independent, he needs no help from
anybody. However so this is not the case
with Jesus, unlike God, Jesus needs help
from God, unlike God, Jesus does not
own any power or any authority, rather
it is given to him from God.
Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had
given all things into his hands, and that he was
come from God, and went to God;
John 17:6-8: 6 I have manifested thy name unto
the men which thou gavest me out of the world:
thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and
they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known
that ALL THINGS whatsoever thou hast given me
are of thee . 8 For I have given unto them the
words which thou gavest me ; and they have
received them, and have known surely that I
came out from thee, and they have believed that
thou didst send me
So as we can see, Jesus GIVEN everything
he had! This all included miracle,
doctrine etc. Basically Jesus did not do
anything of his own, he never performed
a miracle by his own power, he was
given the miracle. He never taught
anything of his own, rather he was
taught by God and spoke what God told
him to speak.
Jhn 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said , My
doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself ;
but the Father which sent me, he gave me
a commandment , what I should say , and
what I should speak.
Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and
to judge of you: but he that sent me is
true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of him.
Jhn 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth
not my sayings : and the word which ye
hear is not mine, but the Father’s which
sent me.
So everything Jesus had was from God,
from the Gospel to his miracles. God
needs no one to give him power, God
needs no one to tell him what to do,
therefore Jesus is not God.
I challenge any Christian to bring me
one single miracle Jesus performed on
his own, just one. The Christian will
never be able to meet this challenge.
5- Jesus was sent to a specific nation
only, not to mankind
It is very strange that when we read the
Bible, we find that Jesus was sent to
preach to a specific nation only, not
mankind. One would expect to find Jesus
being sent to all of mankind if he was
God, rather what we find is that Jesus
just like all the other prophets, was sent
to a specific nation only:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I
am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the
house of Israel.
So as we see, Jesus was sent only for the
lost sheep of Israel. His main duty was
for them, not the gentiles or the world.
Christians often like to say Jesus told his
disciples to go preach to the gentiles,
however so this doesn’t change anything.
Jesus’ real mission as we see was for the
children of Israel, not the gentiles, the
verse I posted cannot be refuted. The
verse is very clear, Jesus is SENT for the
lost sheep of Israel, not the Gentiles,
Jesus saying go preach to Gentiles does
not mean he was sent for gentiles.
5- Jesus denied being good in the sense
that God is good.
If Jesus is God one would expect him to
admit he is good in the sense that God is
good, meaning perfect. However when
we read the Bible we see that Jesus
denies being good in the sense that God
is good which is perfect. Here are the
passages:
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and
said unto him, Good Master, what good
thing shall I do, that I may have eternal
life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why
callest thou me good? [there is] none good
but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt
enter into life, keep the commandments.
So note, the man calls Jesus good, Jesus
tells the man there is non good but God.
Obviously Jesus referred to God as
someone else, which also proves Jesus
isn’t God. However the main importance
of the passages is that Jesus denies being
Good in the way God is good, which is to
be perfect.
6- Jesus could not save anyone
The Bible also claims that Jesus cannot
save anyone! Here is the passage:
Hebrews 5:1-8: 1 For every high priest
taken from among men is ordained for
men in things pertaining to God, that he
may offer both gifts and sacrifices for
sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the
ignorant, and on them that are out of the
way; for that he himself also is
compassed with infirmity. 3 And by
reason hereof he ought, as for the
people, so also for himself, to offer for
sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour
unto himself, but he that is called of God,
as was Aaron. 5 So also Christ glorified
not himself to be made an high priest;
but he that said unto him, Thou art my
Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he
saith also in another place, Thou art a
priest for ever after the order of
Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his
flesh, when he had offered up prayers and
supplications with strong crying and tears
unto him that was able to save him from
death , and was heard in that he feared; 8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he
obedience by the things which he
suffered
So Jesus cried to the one who could save
him from death, this means Jesus could
not save himself from death, therefore
this also means Jesus cannot save anyone
else from death. How can Jesus be God
when he cannot save anyone? This also
shows that Jesus is not in control of life
and death, God however is in control of
everything, including life and death:
And they have taken besides Him gods,
who do not create anything while they
are themselves created, and they control
not for themselves any harm or profit,
and they control not death nor life, nor
raising (the dead) to life . S. 25:3 Shakir
This verse is from the Noble Quran, I
guess this sums it all up doesn’t it?
7- Jesus’ believers did NOT believe he
was God neither
One of the greatest Christian myths is
that Jesus’ followers believed he was
God. However so, this is not true, the
Bible says otherwise:
Matthew
Chapter 16
13-14
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea
Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do
men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they
said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist:
some, Elias; and others, Jeremias , or one of the
prophets
So as we can see, the believers out of the
population did not take Jesus as God,
they took him for a great man, such as
John the Baptist, or Elias, or some others.
None of them said he is God. Now let us
read on and see what his own disciples
took him for:
15-20
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I
am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said,
Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed
art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath
not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is
in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou
art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my
church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys
of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou
shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall
be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his
disciples that they should tell no man that he
was Jesus the Christ.
So note, now Jesus asks his disciples
about what they take him to be for, they
respond by saying he is the SON OF GOD,
Jesus agrees with them and tells them tell
no man I am the Christ. So note, Jesus’
disciples do not say you are God, Jesus
himself does not say he is God.
Now both the son of God and the term
Christ do not mean God. They never
have, and never will. The term Christ
means Messiah, the definition of Messiah
is not God, and the Jews who were
awaiting their Messiah did not believe
the Messiah would be God:
The predominant Jewish understanding
of moshiach (“the messiah”) is based on
the writings of Maimonides , (the
Rambam ). His views on the messiah are
discussed in his Mishneh Torah , his 14
volume compendium of Jewish law , in
the section Hilkhot Melakhim
Umilchamoteihem , chapter 11.
Maimonides writes:
“The anointed King (“HaMelekh
HaMoshiach”) is destined to stand up
and restore the Davidic Kingdom to its
antiquity, to the first sovereignty. He
will build the Temple in Jerusalem and
gather the strayed ones of Israel
together. All laws will return in his days
as they were before: Sacrificial offerings
are offered and the Sabbatical years and
Jubilees are kept, according to all its
precepts that are mentioned in the
Torah . Whoever does not believe in him,
or whoever does not wait for his coming,
not only does he defy the other prophets,
but also the Torah and our Rabbi Moses.
For the Torah testifies about him, thus:
“And the Lord Your God will return your
returned ones and will show you mercy
and will return and gather you… If your
strayed one shall be at the edge of
Heaven… And He shall bring you”
etc.” (Deuteronomy 30:3-5).
“These words that are explicitly stated in
the Torah, encompass and include all the
words spoken by all the prophets. In the
section of Torah referring to Bala’am ,
too, it is stated, and there he prophesied
about the two anointed ones: The first
anointed one is David, who saved Israel
from all their oppressors; and the last
anointed one will stand up from among
his descendants and saves Israel in the
end. This is what he says (Numbers
24:17-18): “I see him but not now” – this
is David; “I behold him but not near” –
this is the Anointed King. “A star has
shot forth from Jacob” – this is David;
“And a brand will rise up from Israel” –
this is the Anointed King. “And he will
smash the edges of Moab ” – This is David,
as it states: “…And he struck Moab and
measured them by rope” (II Samuel 8:2);
“And he will uproot all Children of Seth”
– this is the Anointed King, of whom it is
stated: “And his reign shall be from sea
to sea” (Zechariah 9:10). “And Edom
shall be possessed” – this is David, thus:
“And Edom became David’s as slaves
etc.” (II Samuel 8:6); “And Se’ir shall be
possessed by its enemy” – this is the
Anointed King, thus: “And saviors shall
go up Mount Zion to judge Mount Esau,
and the Kingdom shall be the
Lord’s” (Obadiah 1:21).”
“And by the Towns of Refuge it states:
“And if the Lord your God will widen up
your territory… you shall add on for you
another three towns” etc. (Deuteronomy
19:8-9). Now this thing never happened;
and the Holy One does not command in
vain. But as for the words of the
prophets, this matter needs no proof, as
all their books are full with this issue.”
“Do not imagine that the anointed King
must perform miracles and signs and
create new things in the world or
resurrect the dead and so on. The matter
is not so: For Rabbi Akiba was a great
scholar of the sages of the Mishnah , and
he was the assistant-warrior of the king
Ben Coziba , and claimed that he was the
anointed king. He and all the Sages of his
generation deemed him the anointed
king, until he was killed by sins; only
since he was killed, they knew that he
was not. The Sages asked him neither a
miracle nor a sign…”
“And if a king shall stand up from
among the House of David, studying
Torah and indulging in commandments
like his father David, according to the
written and oral Torah, and he will
coerce all Israel to follow it and to
strengthen its weak points, and will fight
Hashem’s wars, this one is to be treated
as if he were the anointed one. If he
succeeded {and won all nations
surrounding him. Old prints and mss.}
and built a Holy Temple in its proper
place and gathered the strayed ones of
Israel together, this is indeed the
anointed one for certain, and he will
mend the entire world to worship the
Lord together, as it is stated: “For then I
shall turn for the nations a clear tongue,
to call all in the Name of the Lord and to
worship Him with one
shoulder” (Zephaniah 3:9).”
“But if he did not succeed until now, or
if he was killed, it becomes known that
he is not this one of whom the Torah had
promised us, and he is indeed like all
proper and wholesome kings of the
House of David who died. The Holy One,
Blessed Be He, only set him up to try the
public by him, thus: “And from the
seekers of wisdom there shall stumble, to
purify among them and to clarify and to
brighten until the time of the ending, for
there is yet to the set time” (Daniel
11:35).”
Taken from http://www.aish.com/
tishabav/tishabavdefault/
The_Messiah_in_Judaism.asp
In Judaism, who is the Messiah?
The messiah is a G-d fearing, pious Jew, who is
both a great Torah scholar and a great leader as
well. He is a direct descendent of King David, and
will be anointed as the new Jewish King. (In fact,
the Hebrew word for messiah – “Moshiach” –
means “anointed one.”).
When the messiah comes, there will be a
universal recognition of the truth of Torah and the
G-d Who gave that Torah at Mount Sinai. All
Jews will return to the Land of Israel, where they
will throw off the yoke of their enemies and
undergo a complete spiritual revival. They will
embrace the faith of their forefathers and dedicate
themselves to G-d’s service forever.
They will re-build the Holy Temple, from where
the Divine presence will shine forth, spreading the
light of truth, justice, tolerance and peace
throughout the world.
Taken from http://www.jewfaq.org/
moshiach.htm
The Moshiach
The moshiach will be a great political
leader descended from King David
(Jeremiah 23:5). The moshiach is often
referred to as “moshiach ben
David” (moshiach, son of David). He will
be well-versed in Jewish law, and
observant of its commandments. (Isaiah
11:2-5) He will be a charismatic leader,
inspiring others to follow his example.
He will be a great military leader, who
will win battles for Israel . He will be a
great judge, who makes righteous
decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all,
he will be a human being, not a god,
demi -god or other
supernatural being.
It has been said that in every
generation, a person is born with the
potential to be the moshiach. If the time
is right for the messianic age within that
person’s lifetime, then that person will
be the moshiach. But if that person dies
before he completes the mission of the
moshiach, then that person is not the
moshiach.

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